I may need to look at that timing again and spend a little more time with Greta. Somebody suggested that on the other thread and I have to confess that she's VERY fresh in my mind, but that maybe because she's like .. in my mind .. and not on the page, as they say.
It'll have the added benefit of making her pointless death that much crueler and more difficult to accept for the readers.
I think that's definitely needed. The scenes I really remember with Greta:
--Discussion of hiding behind her baby voice.
--Discussion of the slingshot around the planet, and her telling him that it should be OK.
--Her later coming back and cutting him off at the knees, asking him if he's pushing so hard because it's his first tour as Captain - pretty much ignoring that *SHE* advised him that it should be OK. (And it should be ok, other than possibly the connections between the ship and the cargo pods. It's a free fall trajectory, and we can assume sails and grav keel are going to be shut down.
--Him eying her in the hot tub
--Her again cutting him off at the knees about a relationship - saying that he *HAS* to give her the right to say no, even though he's already saying no to himself. At this point, I'm figuring there's a fair chance she's a lesbian. Of course, then we get so many others talking about how she's so stuck on him. The primary instigators of this, though, are Gwen and Avery, who themselves have just started a relationship and are exhibiting all the signs of "let's hook our unattached friends up so they can be as happy as us!" syndrome. Such couples are notoriously, for good reason, kind of poor in their selections. So, who knows? I never really got the feel that Greta had become Ish's confidant in any serious respect.
*shrugs* She died. And while she was on Ish's crew, so of course he's feeling guilty as hell about it. Naturally he turns away from being a Captain and Owner of the line. He's an idiot. And it's only 2 episodes from the end of this story, so there's really no time for Ish to get his feet back under him.
I'm going to blame his cessation of Tai Chi - which occurred, I think, on the Agamemnon - for him losing his center and going so badly off course. The idiocy with Greta was just a symptom of that.
I hope this explanation of how I saw this whole affair helps you decide how you want to adjust things in the final edit for hard copy publication.
Yeah that about sums up where I was left on the character too. I just went back and mainlined Captain's share; and I can see that if I had went bang bang from CS to OS back to back that it might have worked better for. But the other characters are so much better developed.
I find myself wondering how the tale flows if Greta had comes aboard as engineer from the start because she's hired as the caretaker; and Ish sort of gets stuck with her when he buys the ship; cause she's there and convenient..... and Baliey as just a crew member/bodyguard. Then maybe I buy Ish walking away from his life at the end. I'm not a huge "Lost" fan, but on that show they had to kill Charlie, cause killing a log carrying person has no impact. Greta feels like a log carrying extra, not a main character.
I've read all that Nathan's posted and I see where he's going and why he went there; I respect the hell out of rolling a grenade into a well crafted universe.....
Where I get left is, yes Ish didn't really choose the course of his life; it's been choosing him for a long time. BUT that's true for a awful lot of people in the world. As a reader/listeners, we bring our perspectives to our interpretation. The best stories have applicability to life. My life is not one I would have chosen at 18 years old; if I had to do it again I would likely choose a different course, but it would take a very very very major event to make me *chuck* it and start again. A lot of people I know feel the same; it's a rare person that picks their path and hits it, but most people are great a staying on the path. So I personally bring that to the events at the end of the Novel, and I wind up with serious cognitive dissidence.
When it all goes down; I just can't buy into Greta's importance; my brain goes oh *BS*; he's running away cause things got a little hard; grow up already. If they don't bury you; you will bury someone else. If Life was easy they'd have a word other than "Life" for it.... Now *IF* Ish and Greta had planned out the next 10 years of a life and it was centered on the Iris and the business I could see chucking it, but that' not what happened. In the face of all this as it occurred I'd expect Ish to knuckle down and fight to succeed at the business at hand. Sell the stupid ship and buy another if he has to have too, Extra ordinary people tend to go with the momentum in their life, they focus it and defeat most obstacles even it it take a couple tries. Don't tell me Ish isn't extra ordinary; he's not a superhero but for these stories he been extra ordinary in a way that we can all see ourselves being extra ordinary on our best days, and that's why we care about him. I didn't see enough to be sold on that Ish would be beaten and broken. Perhaps this is a combination of us audience members projecting ourselves into Ish's shoes, and part of the Author knows his characters better because they are bouncing around in his cranium all day long. After all Greta whispers in Nathan's ears throughout the writing process, but not in our ears.
In a alternate reality world I was musing over.......
Someone else mentioned the Maloney scene's throughout the voyage; and I also felt that there were more heartfelt moments with that character; and that relationship and a mutual respect was building there. I was half hoping for the story to go that way; with that relationship bridging the age gap *Gasp* yeah that happens all the time, and it would be in keeping with Ish's character throughout the share series although the ages would be inverted.
I found the concept quite reasonable, that we could have Ish and Maloney winding up as the spacer partners that go separate ways for years at a time with no issues in the relationship. We've seen that back on the Lois and there is no reason to believe there isn't a lot of that because of the reality of the deep dark...You have in Maloney a strong confident woman; whose about to break out of her shell and grab the life she wanted that of a Chef etc (she will achieve soon what Ish is failing to do) and the back story epilogue-ish post elsewhere in the forum tells me that is about right....
It would have made a lot of sense for a relationship to grow there and for Christine to learn of Ish's backstory and eventually give him the Shove out the door (or airlock) and tell him to go off and do what he needs to do; and to call when he needs a ride and the Iris would come get him.
In these forums there were a number of listeners who where saying Ish deserved better...well.... ok what we deserve.....do we ever get that.? well ....... fate is fickle...but in stories sometimes we do; but it comes sideways.... but if you chase that belief: Then it is congruent with the share universe that Ish helps Maloney find / get her dream, they wind up together; maybe because Stacey gets killed instead of Greta and the shock makes they overcome the barriers. If Ish get's Stacey killed because he ignored her all throughout the story; it's much more powerful, much more sole shaking, much greater guilt, much greater sense of self loathing, if Stacey has to sacrifice herself willingly because see couldn't get Ish to believe her then dam that's a gut punch. Would the character of Stacey do it? Yeah I think so, based on the way Nate built her I think she would.... In the end Maloney is strong and confident; she has the intellect to rival Ish, she can easily give him the kick in the ass and the fiscal freedom to got forth into other stories as both he and Nate need to... She's a more believable lever to spring Ish free than than Greta as "we the audience" know her. and If a rich and empowered Ish doesn't work for the stories Nate wants to tell; then she's also enough of a lever to say "You aren't ready to be here.... leave, come back when you are."
Anyhow as an Author I hope that Nate is immensely gratified that he's built a bunch of imaginary characters that we debate and discuss motives for and against as though they were real people in our lives.