Golden age law

[zaphodbblx]

Ok even here and now on the high sea a Captain is "the law" and I don't expect that would change in 200+ years but I have a hard time believing that the owner of the shipping company couldn't remove the captain at his convenience. I mean the filthy condition of the Tinker would be cause enough to show dereliction of duty. It is telling that the law allows removal if the ship doesn't turn a profit but not for allegations of rape torture or the like

[WNDRWolf]

Alright, you are making some sense - but here is the problem. You may know the problem exists but with out proof (union shops are like this) and the proof has to be irrefutable - before you can remove a Captain. Now the Captain has to have some character to make it to the rank of Captain as well as pass the tests. Plus we really don't know what Burnsie had over him. Trying to remove the Captain for not keeping his ship clean (highly unlikely) plus Burnsie was going to do what he could to keep his meal ticket in place.

The Allegations of rape could not hold up because the First Mate was holding the crew captive... all of the crews hope was lost. Until they were shown that they could as a group stand up and protect themselves... That was Ish's job. Unite the crew. He showed the crew that they could move up and stand up together. When the isolation barrier broke then the crew started to act as a unit. I really do not find that the story is that far fetched especially when you keep in mind "Power corrupts"
Cause that was what happened to Burnsie... Although I would like to know more about what the Captain was up to...Oh well.

[M Sharpe]

Well, Lets see how long would it be to talk to Command? It can be Hours.. to Weeks.

Nate suggested that the fastest message is Light speed in the same system. For a Message may take several Weeks to get to the Command, If you're not in the same system as you've got to wait for a ship to carry data out in your direction.

The best the owner could do without being able to fire Captain and Burnside is to not allow them to sign back on after their contract expired, as assuming it is time based, like Crew contracts. (Listen to Full Share)

[nlowell]

The weakest link in this plot IS the owner's inability to get rid of the captain.

But what you're missing here is the contract. The Captain's contract controls the conditions under which he can be fired. I *did* address that and it was significant. Work rules being what they are here and now, imagine what they might like after 350 years of lawyers and the starship captain's lobby gets done with them. This is actually why Maloney is active in the Rules Committee meeting that took him to Newmar to begin with, but Ish doesn't know that so it doesn't show up in the plot other than an offhand comment that Maloney makes at the end.

[zaphodbblx]

Alright, you are making some sense - but here is the problem. You may know the problem exists but with out proof (union shops are like this) and the proof has to be irrefutable - before you can remove a Captain. Now the Captain has to have some character to make it to the rank of Captain as well as pass the tests. Plus we really don't know what Burnsie had over him. Trying to remove the Captain for not keeping his ship clean (highly unlikely) plus Burnsie was going to do what he could to keep his meal ticket in place.

The Allegations of rape could not hold up because the First Mate was holding the crew captive... all of the crews hope was lost. Until they were shown that they could as a group stand up and protect themselves... That was Ish's job. Unite the crew. He showed the crew that they could move up and stand up together. When the isolation barrier broke then the crew started to act as a unit. I really do not find that the story is that far fetched especially when you keep in mind "Power corrupts"
Cause that was what happened to Burnsie... Although I would like to know more about what the Captain was up to...Oh well.

Oh its not that I didn't get WHY. it just seems in this largely corporately controlled universe the owner would have some discretion.
As far as the dirty ship goes that means the first mate and other officers aren't doing their jobs and that IS the captains job(I agree I am reaching a bit here)

[zaphodbblx]

The weakest link in this plot IS the owner's inability to get rid of the captain.

But what you're missing here is the contract. The Captain's contract controls the conditions under which he can be fired. I *did* address that and it was significant. Work rules being what they are here and now, imagine what they might like after 350 years of lawyers and the starship captain's lobby gets done with them. This is actually why Maloney is active in the Rules Committee meeting that took him to Newmar to begin with, but Ish doesn't know that so it doesn't show up in the plot other than an offhand comment that Maloney makes at the end.

Ahhh that does make more sense. so its kinda like "Unions gone Wild"

[nlowell]

The problem is that the contract terms for captains are set -- largely -- by the CPJCT. There are some problems with those rules from the owner's standpoint because they spell out what constitutes grounds for dismissal. The issue arose when the powerful Skipper's Lobby got fed up with capricious owners firing them for reasons having more to do with profit than with running the ship.

Add 350 years of lawyers to the mix.

It's not a pretty picture.

[Zeus Legion]

Lobbies exist to persuade (usually via coercion, gifts or greasing the right palms) people who have influence over something the lobby wants to go their way. That form of corruption might make for an interesting story.